7th April, 2021, NFT-DAO General Meeting
Here is a list of timestamps for this meeting (the links are external). Please advise if I have misheard, misattributed or misinterpreted any content
Last updated
Here is a list of timestamps for this meeting (the links are external). Please advise if I have misheard, misattributed or misinterpreted any content
Last updated
Note: timestamps are external links
Philip introduced Patrick to Yagi - 0.44 - Philip Roberts
We have seen a lot of growth since the funding process started :
We hope to accelerate this growth, looking at things like policy scripts (process logic) and wire-frames (interface design)
We are on track but need to pick up the pace.
Make sure we are actively removing silos in our various workflows (marketing, governance).
Make extra effort to be as transparent as we can with each other.
Deliver completed mock-ups to Yagi for branding, get some colors figured out.
Put together basic prototype flowchart (without co lours)
Hopefully we will have a polished product for the MVP
Issues with minting token on Daedalus, problems with the CLI (command line interface)
Created small visual for comparison of NFT with Ethereum (for Twitter post)
Working with Jonathan Looney to create first mock-ups for wire frames.
Contacted Artists, including African Artists who have some good potential to create some quality works.
Working on Color Schemes / Graphics for the Launch Page of the Auction MVP (Minimum Viable Product)
Produced video to celebrate getting funded
Andy produced a meme as well :
In Slack channel The Ancient Kraken had minted an NFT-DAO test token - Tyler Wales
On GitHub Troy mentioned Triaging the expertise level - Dan Verowski
Summary : Maybe we could have two tokens for each HOLON ...
An internal token (collected by those eligible for voting on HOLON decisions) and,
an external token ( collected by individuals outside the HOLON)
Context :
Now raised as a separate Issue :
Not sure if Yoroi wallet supports Native Multiple Assets yet- 9.25 - Dan Verowski, Tyler Wales
Answer : Yoroi wallet does not currently support tokens
Governance token distribution model is a Fund 3 Milestone - would be good to give this back to the community.
Graphic now produced :
Reference : Fund 3 Deliverable Milestones (Gov-HOLON)
Getting ready for progress reports which Rich Kopcho will be starting next week.
We will be handing reports to D? -
Getting a template ready for that so we understand the reporting process
Also how to receive reports from within the HOLONs
Initial Business Analysis - Hope to have the draft finalized by next week. Which will give us an outline of our market/competition.
Token Minting Test - 11.51 - Troy Egan, Dan Verowski
Goal to get a contribution token minted and up and running in a two week time frame. The Ancient Kraken and Hud are also interested in getting involved. Anyone else working in the Token Minting community who is interested should contact Dan Verowski.
Dan Verowski will contact The Ancient Kraken and Hud.
Business Plan - 12.43 - Troy Egan, Stephen Rowan
Stephen Rowan working on decomposing the Business Plan
NFT-DAO Mission Statement - 13.05 - Troy Egan
To give us a clearer idea of the sources and directions of our ideas and processes.
NFT-DAO Charter - 13.24 - Troy Egan
Already been put out into the community for contribution and review. Changed name from manifesto to charter early on after feedback from New Mindflow.
Building out a document structure of 1-3 pages (GitHub Review Copy)
Rich - this is drawn from the "Genesis Document" (GitHub Copy). Also sourced from The Holonic Enterprise as a Collaborative Information Ecosystem and Sample DAO Charter - Alexander Kuzmin.
What is the timeline of the charter ? - 14.05 - Rich Kopcho / Troy Egan
Deadline: Reschedule to 22nd April 2021 (Was two weeks from 1st April 2021)
Rich will aim to have something ready for Gov-HOLON - week beginning 19th April 2021.
Gov-HOLON Meeting Discussions - 14.42 - Troy Egan
Minute Taking Rota - so not on all on the shoulders of one person
Meeting Chair Rota - so not on all on the shoulders of one person - Tyler Wales
FOSS repositories (GitHub) what should be public or private ? - Stephen Rowan
Reference : README message in "Governance-HOLON Vault" Private repository
Scope
This repository should only contain :
Draft work to be migrated to the LIVE Governance-HOLON repository
Commercially or strategically sensitive information.
Confidential information (but please avoid posting personal data here).
White Paper - Unsure about time frame, priority, deadline. As it is a more in-depth document. - Troy Egan
Anyone wishing to contribute should contact Gov-HOLON.
Draft White paper currently located in samepage. Requires input from Development at some point.
Beginning the process of open sourcing as per Fund 3 proposal commitments.
We currently have 4 Gov-HOLON projects (Gov-HOLON Project List) on the public Governance-HOLON repository.
Aiming to transfer Gov-HOLON deliverables to GitHub Project Boards, then break these down further into tasks (GitHub Issues) and then allocate Issues to HOLON members.
This week Gov-HOLON had its first community call-out on Discord as an experiment to see how GitHub Issues might work. Starting with the Issue Draft NFT-DAO Charter #29.
Currently building project dashboards on the Governance-HOLON landing page for people not familiar with GitHub.
Began with Open-Source recognition criteria :
Then NFT DAO Fund 3 Deliverables :
Then a functional breakdown of the Business Plan into organizational units (Business-Plan-Decomposition)
Taking each section of the Business Plan and :
working out who should be the best person (HOLON members) delegated that section
how it breaks down into scope (what the section covers)
how it allocates to tasks (or issues)
and how it can be transferred to open-source
Reference :
and finally the NFT-DAO-Charter
Maybe we don't need our reports then ? - 19.16 - Dan Verowski, Stephen Rowan
Hoping that this will inform our reporting.
This is just the beginning, so we are still having teething problems with how people not used to GitHub use it and how to allocate work. But hopefully it’s the beginning of quantifying what we are doing so when it comes to tokenization we have data available.
HOLONs need to consider, for the AGILE/innovative stage of a project, what information do we need public/community consensus on and what tasks/actions to we need just HOLON consensus on. In an emergent process some of our tasks/actions can be slowed down by the process of community input we are committed to. Sometimes a lot of the community are not engaged or are just new.
Started doing flowchart around :
on-boarding process - how people/members come on Discord and engage
consensus - amongst new people/members
How are we triaging levels of engagement
These factors also tie into our tokenization model.
Do we need a communications HOLON that is keeping everyone on the same page? A HOLON that could triage what should be allocated to public/community consensus or what should be private. Also look at how contribution tokens are attached to a triaging model.
Also look at what should be distributed/heterarchical and what should be hierarchical.
Reference :
We are currently a Plutocratic model and need to move to a Hybrid model.
Source : "Also going to launch a research agenda to move from a Plutocratic model (ADA's current status) to a Hybrid model (ADA plus Proof of Merit). Proof of Merit is a very ill-defined concept - consequentially deliverable is closer to 2025 than 2021." (Source)
Correction : Stephen said "Autocracy" when Charles actually said "Plutocratic model" - (apologies).
Autocracy = rule by one dictator / Plutocracy - rule by by people of great wealth or income.
He was speaking tongue-in-cheek - Stephen Rowan
He was speaking tongue-in-cheek, in that the Cardano projects have all started off from a point of centralized authority to get things done. But the aim of Cardano, unlike other centralized authorities, is self-destructive, in that it aims to dissolve itself.
Did you mean communication to the outside world or inside the HOLON? - Rich Kopcho
I meant a Communication HOLON directed internally - Troy Egan
The life blood of a Holonic Organization is communication - Rich Kopcho
It seems to me that the person who has stepped up to take up that burden is Stephen. He is our resource that is gathering up that stuff and putting it in a way that people can digest it.
A self-sufficient system - 28.40 - Stephen Rowan
My objective is to create a self-sufficient system so that the DAO is open-source and does not depend on a single person as indispensable. But we will need to recruit more people experienced in open source project-planning.
In the Holonic Organization there isn't a Communication HOLON because there is communication between HOLONs - 30:07 - Rich Kopcho
Part of the Canon is the communication link. What gets communicated from what HOLON to the next HOLON and under what circumstances. In the emergence of that HOLON they identify "who needs what from them" in the sense of on-going communication. That is how you build that communication infrastructure. We are emerging - so we are going through the growing pains of figuring that out.
How do you know beforehand what information needs to be distributed ? - 31.01 - Dan Verowski
How can you have a regulation for it beforehand ?
The key is "beforehand" - 31.20 - Rich Kopcho
If you're trying to plan all this stuff beforehand you'll never get it done. It is emergent behavior. As you are emerging and discovering what your information requirements are - you are discovering your Canon. It is a living document.
An organic, emergent process is already happening - 32.27 - Stephen Rowan
For example people are including each other in HOLON channels in order to achieve transparency.
In emergent behavior, you need something - you make the connection - Rich Kopcho
Does'nt an infrastructure for distributed information already exist ? - 33.11 - Dan Verowski
Not just about access to information - 33.22 - Stephen Rowan
Not just about access to information, its also about awareness about how each HOLON is operating and breaking down information silos. And also focusing on immediate objectives across different HOLONs.
Reference :
We are emerging in our own processes as HOLONs - 34.06 - Troy Egan
Shared responsibility within each HOLON to represent the HOLON. Propose that each of our HOLONs has delegates that HOLON leads are communicating to.
Some of you guys have a lot more power or pull than other people - 36.20 - Philip Roberts
Trying to get Patrick on this call (from bluecollarcrypto)
Reference :
We have 22 Artists signed up ? - Rich Kopcho
Now we have 23 Artists. - New Mindflow
We thought of giving Artists two days to respond to email circular ? - Tyler Wales
Email roundup - 37.56 - New Mindflow
Andy suggested sending out an email to all the artists working on Cardano related artworks.
New Mindflow requested a two-day window to maximize the onboarding of more artists given the 6-week time-frame. And allow them time to create new pieces. We can still leave the form up and contact artists again after this initial message.
In conversation with mutual-knowledge - they are working on a Glow auction facility.
References :
Glow White paper :
We have several Fund 5 Proposals in preparation:
splitting distribution of royalties to multiple parties not a trivial process.
compatibility layer between ETH (Ethereum) and ADA token metadata
Where to store standard metadata - off-chain / on-chain options
Payment solutions
Insight submitted on Stripe Like Wallet Connector - "Let's make wallets on Cardano as simple as one line of code to connect and use in your Dapp."
Reference :
mutual-knowledge are working on similar solutions.
In three months (given lead times for funding) these options could be possible.
We need a name for "Beam me up Scotty" - teleporting NFTs between different blockchains. Usability and interorperability across blockchains. How do we get there from here. How to do you lock/unlock tokens "transported" between different chains ?
Reference :
Working with mutual-knowledge on such cross-chain solutions takes us into the realm of a bigger eco-system play for NFT-DAO.
Shortly after Plutus is Live mutual-knowledge will have Smart Contracts ready for us. - Rich Kopcho
In preparation, we can start writing our contracts well ahead of time by using mutual-knowledge's Glow. People in our Development HOLON are getting into the Plutus Pioneer Program to provide a Haskell focus as well. The long-term vision for us is to be as interoperable as possible - to provide a generic, cross platform NFT-DAO that is not specific to Cardano. One of the prime reasons to reach out to other chains is recruitment of legacy blockchain talent. Bring them in. - Rich Kopcho
To the extent that it remains the most efficient way and the most green way Cardano's blockchain has the edge - Rich Kopcho
Cardano (ADA) core of fungibility - 48.03 - Stephen Rowan
I suppose that ADA is the core of fungibility and Governance - but NFT-DAO does not need to be completely dependent on one chain commercially. For example blockchains are being specifically built for the archiving space which could interface through any number of chains depending on Governance and fungibility preferences.
Reference :
Some of the art NFTs will be quite large files.
Are Development in contact with Alessandro who did spacebudz ? Because he came up with quite a good storage solution for the current situation.
Reference :
"The metadata for each token are on-chain. The metadata itself links to an image on IPFS and Arweave in order to keep the data immutable and retrievable forever. The metadata are in the minting transaction of the token. Check out this example. Scroll down to the metadata and click on them to see them." - spacebudz.io - FAQ
We were aware of arweave. There is some research going on into other solutions such as FAI-Seer (?). Do we know where ergoauctions stores its NFTs ? Is it on IPFS ?
I thought we decided to assume we are using IPFS in the Minimum Viable Product - Rich Kopcho
We never made a concrete decision on it. But IPFS seemed to be what most other NFTs are using - Tyler Wales
We may have to do a comparison of different solutions and providers - Stephen Rowan
IPFS and Arweave together is like a decentralised pinning service- Dan Verowski
We should put together a competitive research document for storage solutions. - Tyler Wales
We can do the research anyway, but the Development Team need to select an IPFS solution for the MVP - Dan Verowski
For the MVP we want to deliver something quickly and that will have a long shelf life for our particular use-case. But there are going to be all sorts of NFT use-cases created with NFT-DAO. What solution we choose will be valuable information to the wider community and inform future NFT projects - Tyler Wales
I will liaise with Sev and Hud because they may already have some information about that in the Business model analysis. If not then we will take a field in on storage solutions - 54.02 - Troy Egan
If we go down the route of minting several copies of the NFT. Do we need to store each of them individually or can multiple editions point to a single file ?
It would be redundant to have multiple copies of the file image, given that an edition is only produced by code in the NFT script - Dan Verowski
Development are best placed to offer a solution, so we should defer this issue to a Development meeting - 55.15 - Tyler Wales
Marketing have a social media calendar that schedules different tweets, blog posts and linkedin posts. NFT-DAO is really everyone's voice not just Marketing HOLON's voice - so if anybody wants some messages put out there to the community get in touch with someone in the Marketing HOLON chat.
Also if anybody wants to have access to the concept calendar airtable form.
NFT-DAO has its own business page and any HOLON member can link themselves as a team member of the DAO.
Andy has a contact willing to contribute to our marketing and expand our connections outside the Caradno world.
We can invite to Discord channel or invite to one of our Marketing meetings - 1.00.36 - Tyler Wales
Collaborating with other businesses who are approaching NFT-DAO about launching a marketplace. Trying to figure out what a collaboration looks like from a DAO's perspective. Personal feedback: found it quite challenging to tease out how we collaborate with a potential marketplace or business that is not planning on being in the DAO. We offer a hive of collective intelligence, everyone sharing input, all those inputs provide outputs that people can take away and share further.
This collaboration that the community is sharing - is the value.
Difficult to get head round engaging with someone attached to the autonomy of their business and not wanting to be part of the DAO. Found it quite challenging to work from that position. First contact hasn’t worked too well - communication drops off.
Peer facilitation and research - 1.04.09 - Stephen Rowan
Workshops between homeless people and people who worked in banking presented as an experience building exercise.
The DAO infrastructure as a value offer - 1.05.46 - Troy Egan
Promisery notes that can contribute to NFT-DAO funding - 1.06.04 - Dan Verowski
DAO-Voting as a service (Some Musings about the Roadmap) - 1.07.03 - New Mindflow
If we provide our own infrastructure, we could be in competition with Cardano because of Charles Hoskinson announcement of a plan to offer DAO-Voting as a service going forward.
Context :
Present
Rich Kopcho
Tyler Wales
Troy Egan
Dan Verowski
New MIndflow
Philip Roberts
Stephen Rowan
Discord community
296 Members
Airtable form
36 People signed up
Artist Registrations for the first auction
22 Artists
Developers signed up via Airtable form
11 Developers
Email list
387 Subscribers
292 Followers
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Getting ready for progress reports
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We will be handing reports to D?
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Troy / Rich Kopcho
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Reporting process template.
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Reports from within the HOLONs.
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TBA
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Initial Business Analysis.
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Due: 15th April 2021
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Sev, Hud
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Token Minting Test
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Due: 23rd April 2021
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Dan Verowski
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Business Plan Decomposition
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Due: 23rd April 2021
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Stephen Rowan
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NFT-DAO Mission Statement
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Due: 23rd April 2021
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NFT-DAO Charter
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Due: 22th April 2021
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Open-Source recognition
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Due: 30th April 2021
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Gov-HOLON, Stephen Rowan
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NFT DAO Fund 3 Deliverables
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Gov-HOLON, Stephen Rowan
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Business-Plan-Decomposition
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April 14, 2021
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Gov-HOLON, Troy, Stephen Rowan
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NFT-DAO-Charter
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April 22, 2021
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Triaging Consensus Levels
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14th April, 2021
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Troy Egan
